@Gretchen: "... He never answers a question directly anyway. He always beats around the bush... unless of course, he is BLAMING IT ON BUSH..."
any specifics or just quoting rush limbo opines...

opine: he is more direct than most politicians and he hasnt lied us into a war...and;

he blames T-GOP policies (not W) that resulted in 2008 recession...policies to which that the mitt wants us to return...oh and,

they are the same policies that resulted in the 1929 GOP depression...ie, trickle down, voodoo economics which havent, DONT, work...

BTW if you, anyone, can provide an example of where the T-GOP policies worked to improve life for po folks and the middle class, i will vote for MITT...

He did not say the ecomomy was fine. He said the Private sector was doing just fine. Its the Public sector that is bad off. Check your facts.

@Dwayne Bowman: "Why not blame Bush?"

tho i agree with your politics...opine: blame game gains nothing...debate the issues. W is not the root cause of current conditions...

T-GOP trickle UP, voodoo economic, policies are...these policies have destroyed the middle class and made life impossible for po folks.

perhaps a T-GOPer could provide an example of where they have worked...weel, i know the policies worked extremely well for the 1%-ers.

@stanley seigler

Actually, what you call the "T-GOP trickle UP, voodoo economic policies" that "have destroyed the middle-class..." and "worked extremely well for the 1%-ers" were put into place during the George Bush years. To say that the some of the root causes "of current conditions" don't redound to Bush is ridiculous. And, to not talk about the fact that this dismal economy is, to a great degree (not completely, but to a great degree), rooted in the Bush policies and practices is to be delusional and, in the end, not conducive to productive conversation.

President Obama should be held accountable for policies he put into place, but his accountability ends there. However, even then, proper perspective demands the understanding that, had he not inherited a flailing, failing economy, he would not have had to consider such policies---much less put them into place. His economic decisions were not made in a vacuum, tho the GOP would have us think they were. They have to be seen and evaluated against the backdrop of the situation left him by George Bush.

As much as the Republicans would like to revise Bush out of our economic history, they can't. And bringing him up is not playing the "blame game." It is providing the perspective necessary for understanding why we are where we are, how we got here, and why the president believed he had to do what he has done for this economy.

With all apologies for being impolitic, context is a bitch.

Roots - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg

from tonto's ref:: "...Alan [keyes] firmly stated that Obama is a radical communist and a usurper (which he has done since he hasn't produced an original birth certificate). And that Obama supports infanticide--the killing of babies born alive after botched abortions."

surely tonto doesn't believe keyes...but sadly an all too many 'few' do...alan keyes and ilk give T-GOPs a terrible reputation...as does rev wright does for the DEMs.

thanks tonto for the opportunity (straight line) to point out the asinine comments from the BO-hater crew.

ps. still wondering the point of tonto's ref to rev wright.

hhttp://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaiittp://visiontoamerica.org/9248/barack-obamas-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-forged/ ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CCVp7-7rdoM http://obamaballotchallenge.com/more-news-on-3-31-12-arpaio-investigation-press-conference-on-obama-ineligibility

@tonto

surely you are putting me on...busting my whatever...if not you really disappoint me...you cant believe the BO-hater crap...

Very good points. Thanks!

Not true, the economy in China has been booming, there is huge amounts of job creation going on there funded by American resources converted into globalist assets and Chinese government subsidies. Thanks neocon deregulation! Fricking lizard people.

/David Icke is crazy, but the Illuminati *might* be real.

And the wait continues...

@Wounded Warrior: "Left my lunch at home today. */$@#@ you Bush!"
AND
@JoSCh: "And the wait continues"

weel perhaps too cute by 1/2...but

'all seriousness' aside and as mentioned ad nauseam...

most DEMs dont blame W...they blame the failed (1929, 2008) GOP voodoo, trickle UP, economic policies and the influence of rove (t-blossom) and cheney (big time hunter).

@Charlene Dyer: "...Our Money to fund his excursions has cost us dearly."

what has cost us dearly is a war we were lied into and NOT paid for...and as mentioned failed, voodoo, GOP poloicies...

FYI
'So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch...Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days.'

BO-haters should get the facts vice T-GOP party line sound bites...it so easy to google....

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/12/Democratic-Socialists-of-America-Endorsed-European-Social-Democrat-Obama-in-2000

Truth and facts are fundamentally opposed to the modern GOP ethos Stan, you know this. I submit everything Tonto has ever posted as evidence.

@JoSCh: "...Truth and facts are fundamentally opposed to the modern GOP ethos...everything Tonto has ever posted as evidence."

i keep saying surely people cant believe (know better) the crap...sadly i keep getting proved wrong...

more egregious are those who know better but in ways (eg w/ silence and innuendoes) encourage it...the only one to half-way put down the GOP bs was john mccain...eg:

'no mam, BO is not an arab. he is a good american with whom i disagree' (something like that).

butbut hope springs...

??? Huh? Um, can you answer up to this statement, Dyer? "There has been criticism of the president's vacation at this time. But how does the number of vacation days the president has spent compare to his predecessors? CBS Radio's Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data.

So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days." http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20093801.html

@Tonto: "Everything Oblamer has screw up is all Bush's fault.

your sources are somewhat suspect...Breitbart TV, alan keyes, rush limbo...you have to be smarter than this...these sources are more interested in ratings than facts...and the good of the USA.

they use citizen sheep to increase ratings...they lead lemming citizens over a 1929 cliff and a 2008 cliff...they know better...eg, they know BO is not a muslim, socialist, communist...

they know, as john mccain said, he is a good american with whom he happens to disagree...

but to your point:

what is it you feel BO screwed up that T-GOP policies would correct...those that lead to 1929 and 2008 depression, recession...

come on tonto lets discuss policies, issues...for a start what GOP policies have worked...

We need four more years of blaming Bush :) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo&feature=fvwrel

PLEASE...not alan keyes again.. but if you must quote his brainless comments (eg, BO is a radical communist)...is there something later his 2009 simpleminded crap...

asked not answered: what is the point your ref to rev wright...surely you have a point...or you must be just babbling TP bumper stickers...come on tonto you are smarted than that...

Am I mistaken or wasn't Oblamer attending services at Rev. Wrights Church? Churches have a profound influence on people don't they?

@Tonto: "Am I mistaken..."

one for two aint bad...1. BO did attend wright's church; 2. churches have profound influence, maybe/maybe not...not in my case...anyhow:

still the question...what's your point...

Well if you must know...........the sermon speaks for itself :)

Tonto: "...the sermon speaks for itself"

you beg the question...again, what's yo point...beginning to think you dont have one...

wright's sermon is about as asinine as bob jones', limbo's and keyes' rants...and says nothing about BO.

as you will not state your point...i have to assume you imply BO is in concert with rev wright...wrong. for the record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy

CLIP
'Obama denounced the statements in question, but after critics continued to press the issue of his relationship with Wright he gave a speech titled "A More Perfect Union", in which he sought to place Dr. Wright's comments in a historical and sociological context. In the speech, Obama again denounced Wright's remarks, but did not disown him as a person. The controversy began to fade, but was renewed in late April when Wright made a series of media appearances, including an interview on Bill Moyers Journal, a speech at the NAACP and a speech at the National Press Club. After the last of these, Obama spoke more forcefully against his former pastor, saying that he was "outraged" and "saddened" by his behavior, and in May he resigned his membership in the church.'

What part of "GOD DAM AMERICA" don't you and BO understand?

I love morons who call Obama a muslim and then say he attended Wrights christian church as if either of them mean anything, really. Mitt is a mormon, nobody cares but bigots.

Just for Stanley and all the BO lovers :) - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77390.html

Hey Tonto, your bigotry is showing.

Just for Tonto and the other haters of American freedom and the president

http://www.movetoiran.com

Jo, I know its all Bush's fault and i'm filled with hate, bigotry, racism, and just plain stupid and tax the rich, and I should be like Robin Hood, and its Bush's fault :)

@Tonto: "What part...etc?

what's there to understand about grade school innuendoes...what difficult to understand is the unwillingness to state your point in posting issue irrelevant videos...that appeal to BO-haters and racists...

BO has disassociated himself from rev wright... T-GOPs have yet to disassociate themselves from the likes/comments of keyes, limbo and b. jones...on the contrary they embrace them.

BTW unlike right wing nut statements...many of wright's comments are factual...eg;

[CLIPs]
'The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...

'...when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations.

'When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps.

'When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed...put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law...locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness...The USA has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent...[end clips]

too bad he lost the audience when he went over board with the 'GD america' comment...shudda said God help america...or 'pray there aint no hell.'

Show me where I disparaged Bush? Oh, that's right, it's just more of your lies. That's cool, lying is apparently the foundation of the new Republican platform.

Was Bush the president when the housing bubble popped and the recession began in 2007?

I hate people, and I mean that, I hate them, that use hash tags outside of twitter. To be honest I hate people who use twitter too. Except that guy who did *expletive* my dad says. That guy was funny.

@JoSCh: "hash tags"

thanks...i didn't want appear uncool...so didn't ask what the heck was '#BO' about...i dont tweet, twitter, bookface, everwhat...guess i am missing some humor, eg, 'guy who did *expletive* my dad says'

@Wounded Warrior: "#BO has problems"

indeed and most created by the failed T-GOP economic policies...as FDR did after the great 1929 depression, BO is turning the economy around...eg;

jobs increasing now, were decreasing in 2008...DJI now at 12,000-13,000 was at 6000-7000 in 2008...30-40 million uninsured now on path to health care insurance.

opine: BO-haters and legitimate critics dont seem to understand the ship of economic state cant be turned around like a bass boat.

Doing a great job. Of all those created jobs how many where also lost? Why the recent distain by fellow democrats? (Carville and Clinton just to name a few) Both have recently agreed that BO will have diffuculty with Romney. And now the new foreign leaks look awfully shady.

The quacking continues...

@Wounded Warrior: '...jobs how many where also lost...'

difficult to know for sure, but believe the job figs are net...anyway comparing apples jobs ib 2008 were being lost under GOP policies, now jobs gaining...

hard to believe: 'the number of net jobs gained during the Bush presidency [8 years] was a paltry 147,000'...maybe something to do with lies, damn lies and stats.

re: 'Why the recent dist ain by fellow democrats?'

dunno...but the disdain pales by comparison to harsh criticism of MR by his friendly fellow candidates during the campaign for the GOP nomination.

re: 'Doing a great job'

yes indeed...many parallels to the political climate/rhetoric during FDR's first term...if law allowed...BO would be another 4 'termer'.

SS-
We will get their one way or the other.
I think that even you would agree that neither is a perfect leader. Inside or outside the oval office. Either way we will succumb to larger gov., more class warfare, ZERO bipartisan principles.
You seem to have quite the affinity for FDR, unfortunelty not all of us where around during his tenure. Even the great FDR, i think, would be appalled by what his America has become.

The irony of the hash tag almost outed you, but the Oblama solidified your humorless status. You got to be careful, if you show any sense of humor your Republican street cred will be lost and then where will you be? Without a team to root for, you may have to join with us Americans.

Saying your something different than what you clearly are is life changing?

If you're suggesting I back the GOP, I didn't leave them, they left me when Bush lost the presidency to Cheney after 9/11. I value personal freedom and humanity, and this new Cheney/Rove GOP is decidedly against those ideals.

You meant a sandwich? lol

I believe you and I share similar opinions but different approaches. I also hate the system that gives us these poor choices. I don't believe Obama is AS tainted by corruption, is the lesser of the evils, and the MAN HIMSELF wants to help America and Americans. I believed this of Bush too, FWIW.

I don't normally see the point in hating the man, although Romney had made a pretty good case against himself, consistent lies, misrepresentations, and he said without a shred of irony or understanding of what it means to America, that corporations ARE people my friend. Unbelievable.

I disagree with wholesale term limits. I like SOME of them to have experience. If it's the Senators then so be it.

I'm more for publicly funded elections, NO OUTSIDE money, and MASSIVE lobby reform. I understand that restricting people from financing a public campaign is effectively suppression of free speech, but the people who have exercised it thus far have abused it to the point of approaching the ruination of America.

I support bracketology for the presidency though. We would need to combine some sets of states though to get down to 32, or break some big ones up to get to 64, even with adding PR, Guam, and DC

I think you might be interested in this organization that I'm part of but haven't been doing any work for lately. They send out a daily newsletter, and other than that they don't bug you much. http://www.nolabels.org/

@JoSCh: '...I disagree with wholesale term limits...'

didn't work well in CA...and was tweaked (to allow longer terms) in the June primary elections...another interesting vote in CA: the top two canidateds (regardless of party) in the primary, run in the general...

re: 'publicly funded elections'

a giant step forward...why doesn't it happen...further all perks from lobbyists should be illegal...

lobbyists should set up no frills public seminars to educate legs re lobbyist cause...andand...neither legs nor their staff should be allowed to be a lobbyist for x-years...