Who Won the VP Debate? The Answer's Easy For These Ladies
Paul Ryan had a group of Midlands ladies in his corner.
Just to get the most important question of the night out of the way, they unanimously thought Paul Ryan got the better of Joe Biden in the first and only vice presidential debate of the 2012 campaign.
But that was to be expected from a group of a dozen Midlands-area women who gathered to watch the debate at state GOP headquarters in downtown Columbia.
Among the group, about a third voted for Mitt Romney in the South Carolina primary back in January, while most of the rest supported Newt Gingrich, with a couple of Rick Santorum supporters mixed in. But whatever reservations the non-Romney supporters had before, have now vanished as they are firmly in his corner, as evidenced by the 1600 phone calls they made prior to Thursday night's debate to voters in swing states.
During the debate they listened attentively to Ryan's remarks, but quickly became irritated with Biden, whose smiling and occasional laughter they thought to be beneath the office of Vice President.
While most voters count the economy as the most important issue, the women who watched the debate in Columbia responded most to issues of national defense, particularly on the situation in the Middle East.
Which is not to say the group did not respond to economic issues either. They did. And when it came to the entitlement reform both Biden and Ryan said was necessary, the ladies were unanimous in their belief that means-testing was needed for Social Security and Medicaid and the retirement age should be raised.
What was your take on the vice presidential debate?
William Scott
12:31 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
It was obvious that Biden made a complete ass of himself. Can you imagine that he is a breath away from being President. Let's get Ovomit and Biden out of there.
reg
4:34 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
*(gasp)* did the self-proclaimed terrorist messiah claim Biden to be an (a**)? oh. oh. oh. that leaves me. just. flabberbabbergabbergasted.
Republican Lady
1:46 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Whole heartedly agree, William!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's rock and roll for Mitt and Paul ********************
Three cheers for the winners in November : Romney/Ryan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
taami
12:54 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Obviously Midlands ladies missed the Presidential debate last week, where Mitt Romney proved himself to be a lying, arrogant and disgustingly obnoxious bully. If the Columbia ladies like the Ryan Medicare proposal so much, let them volunteer to be the first to try it, instead of sticking it to their children.
maizenbluedoc
6:01 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I don't think Obama can be bullied. The only way he was bullied was without his teleprompter, thereby limiting his though process.
Dave
2:45 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Dave
No doubt about it Joe Biden was the winner. The Republicans say all these lies and BS about how they have a plan for everything, but they have not said how they are going to present these plans or where they are going to get the money to pay for their ideas. Every Republican President who has been in office has borrowed tons of money not just Obama. Under the Republicans the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They care nothing for the middle class.
luisa henderson
9:52 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
So Dave, What detailed plans did Biden propose in the debate? NONE. This admin. has done NOTHING about entitlements for the last four years! Oh, they are great at trumpeting their support of the middle class. I can't believe that many Americans still believe them. Their handling of the economy has destroyed the middle class. They are willing to let medicare and social security slide into bankruptcy without doing anything to save them. At least Ryan has a plan and he is encouraging a bipartisan debate to make it work for the Country. What kind of a debate have we had on Obamacare. They are still making up the rules at HHS with no debate from anyone. Just ask the Catholic Church!
reg
10:30 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Biden spoke about the detailed American Jobs Act, which GOP in the House blocked. He spoke about the veterans specifically included in that Act, too, which GOP also continues to ignore (shoot, even cut funding for VA healthcare by $6 billion, and most - especially Tim Scott - are against and voted to block funding for things like soldier PTSD and suicide prevention). The economy was destroyed by GOP, who want to use plutocratic formats of Marxian Economic principles. As for Ryan's "bipartisan debate" - how bipartisan is it to block Dems from the private meetings you have on the subject? The GOP has been folding up for quite some years now, and only get by buying off votes through corporations. When particular sectors of the population seem to be abandoning them, they create new parties and movements (like the Libertarian party in '72 and the TEA Party in '09) to keep their schmucks in line.
reg
4:37 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Joe Biden's advantage in the debate: he spoke the blunt truth, and without any political campaign speech.
Joe Biden's disadvantage in the debate: he didn't cut off Ryan frequently enough to correct enought of his political (and false) statements
Advice to the RNC? don't send a boy to do a man's job.
John
8:15 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Obviously, Biden behaved like a boy while Ryan successfully poses himself as a mature adult. Only ignorant boys will pick Biden as a winner.
reg
7:12 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
If you wanna say that lying is winning....he lied 24 times, actually - http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/12/1002021/at-the-vice-presidential-debate-ryan-told-24-myths-in-40-minutes/
Jim Uchneat
8:04 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
So let's be clear about means testing. If you have a $500K in your 401K that you are going to have to live on the rest of your life, are you wealthy enough to contribute more to medicare than someone that never saved a dime.? Is it more than a $1 Million? Do you have to look forward to the day that you are completely broke and then subject to whatever or wherever the government says it can afford to keep you healthy. Why don't we just put a big tax on our 401Ks and call it the old age healthcare tax?
John H
8:33 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
In the foreign policy part of the debate, the Vice President better dominate because the incumbent administration has the advantage of asymmetrical information. However, there is weakness in the response to the Benghazi attack on both parties.
Ryan said there are 12 taxes to the middle class in Affordable Health Care. Politifact says there are 8 that can be loosely associated as taxes and indirectly may affect the middle class
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/02/paul-ryan/paul-ryan-says-dozen-obamacare-taxes-hit-middle-cl/
Romney still says he will repeal it. How? He needs a favorable Senate. It’s a campaign promise that is broken before it has a slim chance of beginning.
Both parties are unrealistic on a balanced budget. It can’t be done without reduced spending AND everyone’s taxes going up from slightly to the middle class to a lot for people who make a million bucks and over.
No clear winner. It was exciting though.
Alex Saitta
8:42 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
This was a lot like the Nixon-Kennedy debate of 1960. Those that heard it on the radio gave it to Nixon. Nixon was a important figure in government for 10 to 15 years before and knew the issues. Kennedy was beaten on the content by the more seasoned Nixon. However, those that watched in on TV gave it to Kennedy. Kennedy looked better and Nixon looked nervous, etc. The debate is on youtube last time I looked.
When the discussion got outside of Ryan's strength of finance, social security and Medicare, Biden beat him up good. Biden knew the foreign policy.
However, Biden's delivery throughout the debate was so bad. That's all the independents saw or heard. I thought he blew himself up.
I believe Romney/ Ryan will win in 3 weeks.
Alex Saitta
8:51 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Having said that, I would be surprised if Romney can turn this ship around. Decisive action is needed and he'll have a divided Congress, and a divided GOP when it comes to making the reforms that are needed to prevent US insolvency. Many of our problems have grown beyond the ability of our ineffective government to fix them. I'm going to go further out on the limb and will say Romney/ Ryan will be one-termers as well.
One final point is, I like Ryan, but I would not have picked him as VP. Party nominees have fallen prey to the media when it comes to picking running mates. They want to make a big splash now a days to pump the polls. That's not the best way to go.
Back to JFK, you pick a vice president to deliver a key state or states. LBJ delivered TX in a close race (that was probably more rigged than Chicago in the 1960 election). LBJ sured up Kennedy in the south, where Kennedy (a Catholic, social liberal) needed it badly.
Ryan delivers no states. I would have picked Rubio, who would have delivered Florida and was conservative enough to solidify the south for Romney. He also would have had the same "big splash" effect they were looking for when they announced Ryan as the choice.
Richard Hayes
10:16 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Malarky! VP Joe Biden won convincingly. The Ryan budget does not add up and his trillion dollar gifts to the rich and Defense Dept will add trillions to the deficit! Why would Republicans support that? Romney would change Medicare to a voucher system, have Social Security vulnerable to the whims of the stock market, and have us bogged down in an unnecessary war with Iran!
Terri Unknown
11:38 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
I think they both did a good job. I think it was a tie. I have not checked the facts for either side yet. As far as debates go, they were equally prepared. I still have doubts as to the truth for either side in their arguments. I have some real research to do now.
JoSCh
2:42 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
You and your reasonable attitude and desire for facts have no place in modern politics Terri!
I'm not saying this, but I heard Paul Ryan is only 33. Why haven't we seen his birth certificate? And his college transcript? He says he went to Miami but graduated in Ohio? Sounds like maybe he is a secret Amish from Argentina? Birthers, REACTIVATE!
Jim American
12:10 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Richard hayes you are clearly a partisan Democrat, the Dems have no plan to reduce the deficit. They claim they can raise taxes on the rich but they had the House, Senate and Presidency and they did nothing about taxes except extend the Bush tax cuts. You keep believing that by spending more money on alternative energy companies that can't compete will somehow turn this economy around. Hopefully you forget to show up on Election Day.
JoSCh
2:49 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Solar power over the course of a 20 year lease is cheaper for the consumer TODAY and generates profit for the PPA provider. You keep advocating that progress be stifled, why? The GOP is no longer the party of liberty loving conservatives; you're regressive authoritarians now.
stanley seigler
3:01 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Jimbo Americano you are clearly a partisan GOP, the GOPs have no plan to reduce the deficit...except the same failed, voodoo, policies that didn't work under HH or W.
GOPs claim they can CUT taxes on the rich and they DID (didn't they) and gave america the great 08 recession...oh/and YES, the great 1929 depression too (oh yea, GOPs are great)...
the GOPs did nothing after 08; except BLOCK BO with their JOB#1 to make him a one 'termer' which is another failure...weel they will make BO a two termer...
OTOH
GOPs' 'trickle UP' did work well for rich folks under RR. the rich's top tax bracket went from 70-90% to 28%...and was the beginning of 'the great 1:99 divide.'
You [JA] keep believing that by cutting programs for po folks and 'the least'; spending more money on rich folks (tax breaks for them is spending) will somehow turn this economy around.
Hopefully you [JA] can explain how HH/W failed policies will work under MITT...seem like repeating the same mistakes and hoping for different results...didn't someone say this was the definition of stupidity???
JoSCh
3:16 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
FWIW, president Obama ALSO continued those GOP policies with predictable results, as well as hamstrung OUR SS with his 2% "tax holiday." He should have secured at least some of his job bill if he was going to continue tax breaks for the mega-rich and outsourcing corporations and decreasing OUR retirement contributions.
reg
7:19 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Having a +1 majority doesn't cut it, Jimbo. Many bills - especially those on very important issues - take 60% to clear. The Senate only had a 60 count of Democrats for 7 weeks in Obama's term, but congress was not in session for 4 of those weeks. In the remaining three, one of them was out for serious medical reasons, so they never had the 60-count vote. You can reduce the deficit by generating more private income - but the GOP blocked the American Jobs Act in the house, and split it up into three bills in the Senate that never got voted on. (We also have lowest taxes on high income of all developed nations - correcting that would address debt. ... and we're the only one on the planet that taxes poverty, too.) As for alternate energy - -we have one of hte most outdated and weakest power systems on the globe. Remember the big blackout that affected the entire northeast? Cities and states built most of their own power systems, later contracted them out to companies, but the companies have never improved them. All the other countries are raking in solar and tidal energy as alternates, and with much success (what we have in solar alone in the US provides power to over 10 million homes).
stanley seigler
1:00 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
who won...dunno...PR was a more accomplished 'truth spinner' than anticipated...JB showed his teeth too often...like both 'em.
in general: the truth and 'we the people' lost...have been losing.
why do we have to have factcheckers...and now a factchecker to factcheck the factchecker is needed...
that said, as a bleeding heart, country, redneck, i will vote the DEM ticket...believe BO-Dems is/are more likely to have a few FDR/JFK moments; than MITT...further/and;
the debate/campaign; vitriolic spins and rhetorical bs have done little, to 'show me' GOP no-reg free market, trickle UP, failed policies (1929/2008), have or...will ever...work...andand;
contrary to a GOP myth: the economy and the least, on avg, do better under DEM administrations...
Bill1776
4:43 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
During last night's debate with with Paul Ryan. Joe Biden was rude, arrogant and condescending with his chicken sh*t grin. He interrupted Ryan 82 times during the 90-minute debate. He acted like a school yard bully Ryan politely asked him to stop interrupting him, but he continued anyway.
JoSCh
9:50 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
YOU LIE!
Sound familiar?
Bill1776
4:46 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Mafia man Frank Sheeran claimed in death-bed confession book I Heard You Paint Houses that he was instrumental in getting Joe Biden elected to the U.S. Senate. Sheeran was a one-time Delaware mobster who worked closely with the Teamsters Union.
When he was president of Teamsters Local 326 in Wilmington, Delaware in 1972, he says he was visited by a very prominent lawyer who was “very big in the Democratic Party” in Delaware.
This lawyer asked for Teamster help in preventing the distribution of a paid Republican political ad that was to be inserted in Delaware-wide newspapers. It was to run for a week and expose the campaign misrepresentations made by the Democratic challenger to the Republican who held the Senate seat.
Sheeran promised that he “would hire some people and put them on the picket line” to keep the papers from being delivered all week.
According to Sheeran, “The day after the election, the informational picket line came down, and the newspaper went back to normal and Delaware had a new United States Senator” Joe Biden.
stanley seigler
6:03 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
re: Frank Sheeran claimed he was instrumental in getting Joe Biden elected to the Senate. Sheeran was a mobster...
so what are you implying...alluding to...and what does this have to do with the debate...its as relevant as...makes as much 'relevant' sense as, posting lee atwater, on his death bed, apologized to dukakis for the willie horton ad...
BTW ponder who's the most evil...more harmful to our country: sheeran or kochbro-ilkies who dominate (dictate to) GOP politicians...
in sum: politics suck...GOPs more than DEMs.
Tom Utley
5:38 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Not to sound like Bill Clinton but I think you have to define what "win" means in the context of this public theater. If winning means who presented the most factual and logical arguments and made clear, accurate points, well that was obviously Paul Ryan.
However, I don't think that's what winning means. In today's world, winning a political debate has more to do with style, repeating the same ol and tired lies over and over again, and browbeating your opponent into submission. I think through interrupting Ryan about 85 times, laughing during his responses, repeating fallacious talking points, and then putting on his serious voice towards the end and throwing out the dead wife card, Joe Biden won this round of political theater.
But, there is this: http://confusedbiden.tumblr.com/
So I guess we all win.
maizenbluedoc
6:09 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Unfortunatley, that is all Obama and Biden have. They haven't any positive record upon which to run, consequently, they use half-truth and puerile schoolyard tactics to embarrass and intimidate their opponents. I can hardly wait to see how BHO attempts to spin the Libya snafu in his next debate.
stanley seigler
7:13 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
@Tom Utley
re: If winning means who presented the most factual and logical arguments...obviously Paul Ryan...
surely TU jest...but if not would like an example of PR's factual/logical arguments...aka flipflops...
Q: is it logical for the GOPs (well government) to control a woman's body...
re: So I guess we all win
my opine: we all (we the people) LOSE big time...especially po folks and 'the least'...
reg
7:23 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
shoot, blueboy - when your opponent is talking like an idiot with so many obvious falsehoods, what else could Biden have done? And apparently, you're a sucker for that kind of Lyin' Ryan garbage - that "Libya snafu" line of yours? You don't know the truth on that, it seems.
stanley seigler
7:30 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
@maizenbluedoc
re: 'They [BO/JOE] haven't any positive record upon which to run...
really maizenblue!
how boot gaining jobs now vice losing 750,000/mo in 2008...how boot DJI now 12-13000 vice 6-7000 in 2008...how boot most economic metrics trending up vice trending down in 2008...
do GOPs call these facts negatives...
and specific to SC:
'Mr. Sanford [while hiking on the appalachian trail] quietly signed a bill passed by the Legislature that expanded eligibility for unemployment benefits. The move paved the way for the state to claim $97.5 million in stimulus money to bolster its financially ailing unemployment insurance trust fund.' http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/us/politics/11carolina.html?_r=0
Tom Utley
10:30 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Hey this is a lively group!
For the record, I'm not a fan of Ryan or Biden, or Obama or Romney. I guess I'm SOL this election season... well, on the national level.
But then again, this is South Carolina, and our vote doesn't account for anything on the national level, so who cares! haha!
As to your question Stanley, you're talking about controlling women's bodies... doesn't the ACA force us all to purchase health insurance? So isn't that controlling? or is that just a suggestion? What about Indefinite Detention under NDAA? Isn't that controlling? or is that just babysitting?
Get your head out of your rear. All the government does is control.
stanley seigler
11:20 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
@Tom Utley:
re: As to your question...
you beg the question with a distraction...
the Q was: 'is it logical for the GOPs (well government) to control a woman's body...'
no answer! a simple yes/no will suffice.
yo distraction is: So isn't that [ACA, NDAA, etc] controlling?
ans: yes.
JoSCh
9:43 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
+1 to stanley for calling Tom out on his red herring.
The ACA doesn't force us all to purchase insurance as most of us already do. It forces the free riders to pay in to the system they rely on.
I wish we could set aside space for the people that want to drop out of society, I really do.
sandpiper0
11:01 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
JoSCh.....FYI....Paul Ryan is 42 and Miami University is in Ohio.
Shawn Drury
12:53 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
sandpiper0 -I believe JoSCh was being flip.
stanley seigler
11:37 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
if you have to explain the obvious...it helps understand the 'birthers'...and it cant be cured...
JoSCh
11:05 am on Sunday, October 14, 2012
The president was born in Hawaii and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, but that doesn't mean we should base our opinions on easily proven facts, does it? Have the rules changed back?
stanley seigler
12:08 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
oh sigh, josch you're clearly a partisan DEM...who lies boot BO's birth and college...
BO born in hawaii: HAhaha, where's the original birth certificate...
BO graduated MCL from har-VARD: HAhaha and a hearty hoho...where are his college transcripts...
now for the unvarnished truth: BO gets his direction from his uncle scewtape. he is the manchurian candidate incarnate...a lying, evil, socialist, dawg...who is sending our Christian nation to hell in a hand basket...most important he has never read ayn rand...and;
you josch are the evil BO's disciple...and are destined for the bottom ring of the fiery pit...andand;
it's too late for you to repent...you have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and there are some sins SHE cannot forgive...
stanley seigler
12:13 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
PS
:) :) :) :) :) ;0
stanley seigler
12:15 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
PPS
he's black
sandpiper0
11:58 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Shawn Drury: My bad! Sorry.