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SPEAK OUT: Would You Pay More Taxes for School Resource Officers?

Raised at Education Committee hearing this morning.

"If there's one thing I could do to make schools safer, it would be to have a School Resource Officer in every school," said SLED Chief Mark Keel.

Keel was speaking before the Senate Education Committee, who held a hearing tonight on the issue of school safety in the wake of the Newtown massacre.

Keel was one of several officials who spoke to the committee, among them were State Superintendent of Education Mick Zais.

Both Keel and Zais said that decisions with respect to funding and deployment should be made locally.

On the question of having teachers armed, Keel said, "I don't know of a single law enforcement officer in favor of teachers carrying guns."

Would you be willing to pay more taxes if it meant more School Resource Officers in your town's schools?

As the chief law enforcement officer in the state, Keel said that school safety is the number one issue he's been hearing about of late. It resonates with him personally. "I drop my kids off at school every day and I want to know that I'm going to pick them up. There's no cost that's too much for me to want to make sure that happens."

Keel said steps can be taken in the short term to make schools safer, such as installing panic buttons or allowing doors to be locked only from the inside. Over the longer term, he thinks that, in the design phase, school safety needs to be a paramount concern when new buildings are being considered.

"We don't want our schools to look like prisons, but there are some things that can be done in terms of exits and entrances that can make schools safer," Keel said.

During his testimony, Keel said he believes every school should have a safety and security plan in place. He also said that he believes dealing with school safety is the number one issue facing the General Assembly this session.

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Cookies Mom January 11, 2013 at 09:09 pm
Speak for yourself only, please. It is not above my paygrade to suggest realistic workable solutions ostead of just whining and saying what will not work-I happen to think this issue is important enough that I want to be part of the solution not part of the problem, which is everybody sitting on their hands for decades and watching tragedy after unfold.
Em Wilson January 11, 2013 at 09:16 pm
The problem with the $100 tax on every gun sold is it won't be the ppl who contribute to the problem footing the bill. Crooks don't report gun sales, you think they're going to collect $100 tax and send it to the government. Didn't think so!
Cookies Mom January 11, 2013 at 09:22 pm
To Em Wilson-The Newtown shooter's mother would have had to pay these fees, taxes, etc!
Robert Kelly January 11, 2013 at 09:38 pm
JoSCh, thanks for the note. I would not have been aware of Shawn's response.
Shawn, sounds like the SRO is a good thing, consistent with the whole concept of solving problems as locally as possible, as informally as possible. Still, it does seem like it is a good idea for the school, but not necessarily a solution to an armed assault on the school. There have been lots of suggestions in this thread, and maybe the best answer is a combination of these suggestions. Let's have the armed SRO deal with behavioral and bullying problems, as well as general school security, being the local subject matter expert on how to keep the school secure. Maybe taxing guns and ammo to help pay for this program would help the local school districts. I am sure the NRA would support that because they have already proposed armed police in the schools. And lastly, to minimize the threat, the country takes steps to remove the weapons of mass destruction from the marketplace. Yes, Christine, a weapon that can kill a couple dozen children in a minute is a weapon of mass destruction. That is not hyperbole. There is no lawful need for these weapons, and none of the gun proponents have even attempted to give a rational justification for their existence. The best I have seen is some fear that the military will take over the country so we all need to be armed sufficiently to defeat them. Your paranoia does not trump my skepticism.
Sunshine January 11, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Taxes in Dorchester 2 school district are being raised for this year to build 3 new schools and do renovations on the older schools. So paying more taxes would hurt some homeowners especially those on fixed incomes. The increase taxes for Dorchester County are $102.00. The money would have to come from somewhere else.
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 01:04 am
I do not think it would require a tax increase-that is a smokescreen being used to deflect attention so that inaction can continue. I still think that armed officers in plain clothes is the first of a multi-pronged approach that also requires that gun control and mental health issues be addressed. Christine, you have nay sayed everything, offered nothing constructive-that is not apathetic, that is pathetic-you can be part of the problem or the solution and I guess you are proof that misery always wants company. It must be nice to just pass the buck so you don't ever have to actually come up with a solution yourself and can always find something about which to whine. I have children and grandchildren in the schools and I want them to know that I am trying to be part of the solution on their behalf.
Robert Kelly January 12, 2013 at 04:24 am
Cookies mom, I was just wondering...why have you specifically recommended plain-clothes police? I would have thought clearly identifying the security person would help. In an emergency situation a uniform conveys authority and leadership.
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 04:31 am
I think plain clothes would be better than uniforms for 3 reasons: (1) less "frightening" to elementary school students, (2) uniform could make him/her a target, and 3 weapon(s) could be worn under jacket, etc. to make them less frightening and less accessible to others. They can still wear their badges clearly displayed and I think their badges can convey the authority and leadership.
Jason Hobbs January 12, 2013 at 05:23 am
You know who else would blend in perfectly in that setting and would not be suspected of being armed? A teacher!
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 06:15 am
Teachers are not trained in crisis management, ballistics, security, etc. Teachers are in the classrooms teaching students. The police officer's sole task would be entrance security and he/she would be receiving on-going training and updating in security measures. Also, it would make it very difficult if there were an active shooting incident for law enforcement to distinguish shooters from civilians. Law enforcement is better left to law enforcement officers!
Laura January 12, 2013 at 01:29 pm
Cookies Mom is obviously very disoriented about what a police officer should do to best serve our children. Your narrow minded view of "entrance security in plain clothes" is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
You want to pay someone a government salary, plus benefits, plus vehicle, plus retirement to stand at the entrance of the school all day long? What type of police officer do you think would be selected for that type of insufferable job? I would venture to say that it would be one selected by his or her superiors who is already ineffective on road patrol, but you want to depend upon him or her to be ready to respond decisively to protect our kids, right? And then to put him or her in plainclothes so they are "less frightening" to the kids is laughable. Kids aren't afraid of cops until mom or dad points at one and says "If you don’t behave I'll have him take you to jail." And as history has shown, a responding officer seeing someone with a gun in his or her hand not wearing a uniform is a recipe for disaster. So, before you spout off more nonsense about what a school resource officer's responsibilities should be, get off the Internet, pick up the phone and call one of the local police departments and ask to shadow an SRO for a day at the school to see just what an important role one plays on a daily basis in the lives of the students and faculty there. While I understand the mania parents are feeling, absolute safety and security is a pipe dream.
Laura January 12, 2013 at 01:33 pm
Very well put, Ginger
Shawn Drury (Editor) January 12, 2013 at 02:43 pm
So, Ginger (and others) you'd be willing to pay more taxes to improve access to mental health care?
stanley seigler January 12, 2013 at 04:08 pm
'the evil NRA does will live after them...' but you have to give them credit for a massive, effective, propaganda program...ie,
most all the discussion/debate has been on everything but gun control...eg, the PATCH posts and taxes to pay for security guards. i used to wonder how hitler convinced a reasonable intelligent german people to hate jews... after witnessing what the NRA (gun mfgs) has(have) done to the american people with their propaganda (and what the kochbros did with voterID)...i no longer wonder...it was a piece of cake for hitler... course i shudda stopped wondering after what the tobacco industry did to us...
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 05:25 pm
You are the one who is clueless. I taught for 30 years and I still volunteer at my local schools. Additionally, my husband retired from the police force after 25 years. Most police officers have 2nd jobs to supplement their incomes. At my daughters high school, there are 2 resource officers who work with difficult students and provide guidance and programs directly to the student body. There is also a plain clothes police officer whose sole job is entrance security and who has no time to become bored-there is steady stream of scheduled vendor deliveries, repairmen, parents, and students all day at the entrance-all of these people are subject to his scrutiny. Yes, he does make the school safer. Nobody can prevent every incident but his presence dramatically reduces the likelihood of a school massacre. His salary for this job is paid for with a grant from Homeland Security. He does not wear a uniform but he does have a clearly displayed badge. He is very effective and had foiled several would be disasters already. So, now maybe you can use your piehole to eat crow!
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 05:27 pm
Perhaps Ginger and Laura can share a crow pie!
stanley seigler January 12, 2013 at 05:31 pm
since (thanks to NRA bs) the question is no longer 'gun control', but taxes and spending...it may be of interest what other states (eg CA) are doing:
[CLIPs] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DDRIGHTS/message/8739 1. And we're [CA] fixing the money problem. 2. A poll last year showed that 64% of Californians would be willing to pay higher taxes for K-12 schools and 54% for health and human services. But only 17% would dig deeper for prisons... 3. The chronically unbalanced [CA] state budget is nearing stability, thanks to significant spending cuts and the tax increase the governor [moonbeam] talked voters into approving. [takes time to dig out from the terminator GOP's policies] BTW tho i would rather live in SC (sville) than CA...i know of no californians who will move to SC to pay less taxes...course many other factors to consider...but assuming all else equal..
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 05:33 pm
I have suggested a multi-pronged approach-one that addresses school security and gun control and mental health issues. Perhaps if you spent more time reading and less time trying to espouse your own personal agenda..................
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 05:36 pm
Again, my approach is multi-pronged-guncontrol, school security, and mental health issues.
stanley seigler January 12, 2013 at 06:35 pm
as it should be...
however the NRA folks have refused to put gun control on the table...as it would decrease gun mfg's profits... to repeat scarborough quote: “This is not about protecting the Second Amendment,” he reiterated...“This is about gun manufacturers making millions and millions and millions of dollars. This is about retailers making millions and millions and millions of dollars. Do you know how much money these people have made over the slaughter of 20 innocents in Newtown?" and the profits from the 20 child murders is criminal irony...gun crazy cowboys rushed out to buy more guns...incomprehensible!!!
Cookies Mom January 12, 2013 at 07:33 pm
I prefer to concentrate on the things I can accomplish. This country has had more than 12 years since Columbine to do something about gun control and we haven't stepped up to the plate on this issue. I will still work for gun control and for mental health issues to be addressed; however, in the meantime, armed security officers is something I can help achieve that will reduce the likelihood of more school massacres.
stanley seigler January 12, 2013 at 08:07 pm
makes sense...
we can do more to protects our children by working on local issues (like security guards) than trying to get US congress to pass gun control laws...and impossible to get gun control laws passed in SC legislature...andand; the petition of sville man to ban WMDs in sville is, as said, the snowball in hell. sad the NRA's priority is profits for gun mfgs vice protecting our children. sadder still is that our legs allow the NRA to bully them...thus the legs as well put gun mfgs' profits over protection of our children...
Dr. John January 15, 2013 at 01:38 am
The access to mental health care was there decades ago. Unfortunately (or fortunately) there was determined to be human and civil rights violations by holding people with mental illness indefinately. The ACLU and advocacy groups turned the tide by making it illegal to hold anyone against their consent in a treatment facility. Now these people can refuse care unless they are under a court order to be there. In that case there has to be clear evidence that they have issued a threat to others or to hurt themselves. Such is the delicate balance of liberty and freedom and tyranny and despotism. Also, it is somewhat amusing that now we are using terms like WMD, automatic and semi-automatic weapons and talking about the number of bullets in a rifle or handgun. Do you think someone like Pres. Obama, Mayor Bloomberg of NY or even our own Gov. Haley will permit their security detail to have clips over 10 rounds? These people will exclude themselves from the restrictions they place on the "folks" or "citizens" they serve. And I have to ask the same question I have asked before, Why is no one talking about the 506 deaths last year in chicago? Is it just mass murder of white kids or the shooter being white that makes it news in Newtown? Is there nothing newsworthy about blacks shooting and killing each other that the mainstream media finds attractive to report to readers/viewers? Have gun control efforts in Chicago been effective?
reg January 15, 2013 at 02:27 pm
Jason, there is a tax on every cigarette, some of which is specifically to cover costs of healthcare risks created by and upon smokers. Regarding cars, there's a mandatory insurance. And a "fat tax" (imposed upon junk foods, and to cover costs of their healthcare risks) has been suggested many times, including recently.
So why not such a tax in some amount to cover the impositions that can be created by firearms? After all, most firearm deaths are from accidental shootings. Wouldn't some type insurance on them be appropriate?
reg January 15, 2013 at 02:31 pm
Doc, it's *always* been illegal to hold someone against their will without court order. Wasn't the ACLU or advocacy groups that created that. It's in the constitution, in fact.
Dr. John January 18, 2013 at 01:47 am
Nope,
Wrong Reg, Mental health pt's have a long history of institutionalization. Only recently did mental health rights for refusal of treatment lead to to days treatment. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7333723 and this book which discusses mandatory institutionalization and the rights movement that followed in the 1950's Stroman, Duane. 2003. “The Disability Rights Movement: From Deinstitutionalization to Self-determination. University Press of America
Dr. John January 18, 2013 at 02:02 am
Stanley,
I agree with you, except that we are much worse than hitler, in that we have convinced americans that killing millions of our own unborn babies is OK (most of them african american) and we are now discussing how to restrict gun ownership among ourselves as being a prudent way to discourage criminals from committing gun crimes, instead of discussing how we can use guns , in turn, to protect ourselves, our families and our property from people that choose not to obey the law.
zyvin January 18, 2013 at 04:39 pm
NO!.............but enjoy your new swimming pool........
zyvin January 18, 2013 at 04:42 pm
How many of these crimes were committed by NRA members?
zyvin January 18, 2013 at 04:51 pm
Your ar wrong on so many levels....Good try hippie.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/011713-641110-california-state-budget-not-balanced-despite-governor.htm

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