Nineteen states have toughened their voter identification laws in the last two years.
At least a third of the remaining states have challenges still pending, including South Carolina, Wisconsin, Texas and Florida.
On Wednesday, Judge Robert Simpson .
Supporters argue the laws protect against in-person voter impersonation fraud. As a result, at least 30 states have enacted some type of voter ID reform.
South Carolina's case is expected to be heard in federal court later this month.
But are stronger Voter ID laws needed?
Data from a project funded by the Carnegie and Knight foundations showed that in-person voter fraud is virtually nonexistent in the United States, with only 10 cases confirmed since the year 2000, The Huffington Post reported.
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no one said or implied 'Bohater' applied to anyone specifically...i do not know anyone on PATCH well enough to make it personal...all my comment relate to philophies/policies of a group/party... re: 'study the candidate' [js] agree...ie, do yo homework...dont buy or quote (w/o factual backup) party line bs... sadly all too many bought (hook, line, sinker) need for kock-bro's voterID laws...what a waste when there is a critical need to create jobs and grow the economy...
we do??? ...you have proof (media articles, etc)...as mentioned, anyone with proof should submit this proof to SC attorney gen...he found NONE. re: '...we need to make sure people can count on an honest Election' existing laws do exactly that...are you familiar with existing laws...if so pls explain (if you were so inclined) how you would commit voter fraud...
simple question which you beg...the simple ans from far to the left of JS: it cant be done if current laws are enforced by honest election officials (ie, DEM election officials)...if you believe otherwise: SHOW ME...and; the point: voterID laws are a painfully obvious, diabolic, kock-bro, tactic to suppress BO-voters...nothing more. nothing less. those who support the laws should be ashamed...they are throw backs to the state's right segregationist and jim crow poll tax shame. of course you could change my mind with instances of fraud or HOW it could be done under existing laws...as said you should forward any instance to SC AG...he found NONE, NONE...
"So far, more than 500 have been identified as citizens and lawful voters on the voter rolls. About 40 people statewide have been identified as noncitizens. At least four might have voted and could be guilty of a third-degree felony." This article focuses on th attempt to clear the voter rolls in Florida earlier this year. Perhaps we can agree that voter fraud does happen, perhaps not on the scale that some would suggest, but certainly more than "never". I just don't understand what harm there is in protecting my vote by ensuring, as much as reasonably possible, that all other votes are cast by legitimate members of the electorate. (For full disclosure I should tell you I am opposed to universal suffrage in the first place. The only way this ends is with the massess voting to take from those they percieve as having more and I find that nothing short of robbery.)
SOUTH CAROLINA VOTER REGISTRATION FORM http://www.scvotes.org/files/VR_Blank_Form.pdf [for the complete form goto link] [CLIP] ID Required: If you are registering for the first time in this county, you must attach a copy of a current valid photo ID or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address in this county. If you do not provide this identification now, you will be required to provide this information when you vote. Voters who are age 65 and over, voters with disabilities, members of the U.S. Uniformed Services or Merchant Marines and their families, and U.S. Citizens residing outside the U.S. are exempt from this requirement. ** Social Security Number is required by the S.C. Code of Laws 7-5-170. This number is used for internal purposes only and eliminates multiple registrations by a single individual. Your Social Security Number is not released to any unauthorized individual. For Voter Registration Board Use Only [end clip] asked of several kock-bro sheep who will not answer...so asking again... CAN ANYONE PROVDE INSTANCES OF FRAUD or KNOW HOW VOTER FRAUD UNDER CURRENT LAW COULD BE COMMITTED AT THE BALLOT BOX? all instance should be reported to the SC AG as he found NONE if elections officials do their job only registered citizens can vote...
PAINFULLY obvious you dont have any instances of fraud at the ballot box (there are NONE)...and are clueless as to how under, current law, fraud could happen...and sadly you are not alone... as there is no reason [see FYI post re voter registration] for voter ID laws...i have to question your previous statement, 'i am not a BOhater'...kinda reminds me of nixson's, 'i am not a crook'... sad for the country, you have company ...you all allow the USA to be bought by the koch bro-etal...
what is happening in FL is part of the koch-bro strategy to suppress BO/dem voter...but that aside for now... the fraud you refer to is not voter fraud at the ballot box (which is all voterID laws address)... indeed it is not voter fraud, but election official inaptitude: if indeed there are persons on the voter registration rolls who shouldnt be there, the question is why were they there in the first place. BTW/FYI Over the past few weeks more and more of the county supervisors who conduct the state's [FL] elections have publicly spoken about their discomfort with the purge and, in some cases, their decision to stop taking the vote away from their own constituents. Now it's unanimous opposition. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098504/-Florida-elections-officials-revolt-won-t-purge-voters-from-rolls i oft wondered how hitler could convince, a relatively intelligent, sophisticated people (the germans), of the 'big lie'...recent events in our country are convincing me it was a piece of cake...
I'm sorry, but your stance that voter fraud NEVER occurs is as unbelievable (no offense intended) as those that claim voter fraud is rampant. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. In fact, Philadelphia recently conducted a review and found the following examples: "one Democrat who voted in her new West Philly division and her old West Philly division." Accident or fraud? "The report tracks a South Philly voter named Joseph Cheeseboro and someone voting in his name. The two voters, who each cast a ballot in 2007, are registered at a vacant lot and at a convenience store." Accident or fraud? "seven registered voters who cast ballots in the past decade — including one this year — despite not being U.S. citizens." Accident or fraud? So it seems to be not to be a serious problem at the moment, but why shouldn't there be a strong requirement to prove eligibility in order to protect our right? I don't understand the counter argument. When I moved here I had to go to DMV multiple times before all the paperwork was right and I could get my SC DL and driving is a privilege. Shouldn't we protect our rights just as hard?
no offense taken...never said never...just looking for the truth...well maybe my truth... your anecdotal evidence provides the truth it's insignificant and has no effect on out comes...eg; 'seven registered voters who cast ballots in the past decade' ... and this justified voterID laws...c'mon greg, you really dont believe this... re: why shouldn't there be a strong requirement to prove eligibility in order to protect our right [greg] there should. voterIDs do not address the issue...they are the koch-bro strategy to suppress BO/dem voters. better informed/educated election officials and perhaps stronger voter registration laws are an answer...e.g., SC law should require proof when one registers...not the alternate of providing proof at the ballot box. current SC law: 'If you do not provide this identification now, you will be required to provide this information when you vote' and MUCH, much, stronger laws re electronic voter machine laws are needed, eg 'Deibold Voting Machine Fraud Exposed..Ron Paul's votes were ELECTRONICALLY STOLEN from him and given to MITT ROMNEY in South Carolina!' oh/and where the BOhater outrage...think no outrage cause diebold contributes to the GOPs...couldn't be, could it???
neither do i...will try to improve...but 'hard to teach an old dog new tricks' as they say in lithuania... suggestions to improve and specific questions welcome...if you really care about 'what the heck i'm talking about'...cant imagine you or anyone really cares... i just post to PATCH to keep my mind occupied...
Take care.
DITTO to you...or think as they say/said 'back at cha'...as you know adhoms and too cute by 1/2 comments add nothing to determining the truth...
weel guess you're not done. good! you provide great straight lines...like reference to peanuts...hope you dont drop the football like lucy and will now provide non-existence, voter fraud, instances...or; perhaps you meant you were done with defending voterID laws...
Take care!
we didnt have a ben franklin just an open fire plaec for heat, not decoration...but; 'those were the days my friend...we thought they'd never end' ... kinder, gentler days... not to get too maudlin or altruistic...and you have probably have seen this quote: "Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable" (Bertrand Russell)... it seems appropriate here...as it mirrors your worthy 'personal goal'... i try...but it's hard to avoid 'the trap' and not respond in kind...PATCH is good 'trap avoidance' practice...
Voter ID laws create barriers for adults with disabilities State laws that target voter identification for registration or limit absentee or early voting can adversely affect Americans with disabilities, says Rebecca Schleifer of Human Rights Watch. She says states should be working to ensure all qualified Americans can vote, including making information more accessible to people with disabilities, such as by using simple language, visual aids or oral instructions. The Huffington Post/Rebecca Schleifer's blog (9/5)
Jim Cramer: 'I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.' jim's dad one of more than 21 million people...who lack a valid, government-issued photo ID...about 11 percent of adult citizens... @Gretchen difficult to connect the dots in your post...eg, surely you dont mean to say if BO wants USA to be like europe (which he doesnt)...therefore, a need for voterID laws...oh/and BO is opposed to voterID laws... GO FIGURE! why there is no response to the following questions...asked several times on PATCH... 1. does anyone have any instances of voter fraud at the ballot box 2. can anyone explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box 3. can anyone explain why voterID was not considered prior to the election of BO 4. can anyone explain why SC (and other states) opposed the 2005 Real ID act...actually refused to implement it...implementation would have provided all with voterIDs. care to surprise me with a response, gretchen?
Are stronger voter ID laws necessary? Yes,56% The integrity of our elections is at the core of who we are as a society.
INDEED...however votedID laws are not needed and do NOTHING to insure the integrity... the fraud occurs with registration; electronic voting; and with election officials. NOT by individuals at the ballot box. ... eg; 'Suspicions of voter-registration fraud by a firm working for the Republican Party of Florida spread to at least eight counties Friday after apparent irregularities in registration forms emerged earlier this week in a single county.' http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444752504578024903833678698
The people who don't have some sort of photo ID, who are not part of the main stream, who are poor Black or Latino or White, realistically aren't going to vote anyway. If they don't care enough about having some sort of identification on them they really aren't interesting in voting anyway. And being poor hasn't got a thing to do with it.
you really cant believe this...you cant be that clueless...but; if you are...can you explain, under current law, how one would commit voter fraud at the ballot box...if not all should agree as you say: 'It's [voterID laws] really all to do about nothing'...well actually voterID laws are all about suppression of BO/Dem voters... the kockbro-ilk have to be laughing at we fools...and thinking how clever they are...
re: '...a lady used my business address to get a voter registration ...' did she also use you social security number...did she register under multi-addresses and SS#s how could she use your address to register...law requires: 'ID Required: If you are registering for the first time in this county, you must attach a copy of a current valid photo ID or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address in this county.' this was election official incompetence...NOT addressed by voterID laws...
If that small category of people don't have the sense to have on them a photo ID of some sort, they are not going to vote anyway. If i can take the time to have one, so can everybody else, what makes other people special and above the law ? Just because they are Black, but can come up with money for Drink and Drugs, they sure can come up with money for a Photo ID, they are no better than I am.
weel yo half-way right...an idiot but certainly NOT over educated...and it always time for old men to learn...so please; help me understand why voterID laws are needed in addition to current laws...ie; as asked/not answered: ' under current law, how one would commit voter fraud at the ballot box...' why add unnecessary laws...seems better, in general, to simply the bureaucratic bs... oh/and re: '...they are not going to vote anyway.' they should be encouraged to vote...not discouraged... PS re: 'you really cant believe this' i was wrong!